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          "Only A Child Can Be Raised, Not An Adult,
            So Become The Child of The Guru,
      For Then, And Only Then,
            Can The Guru Raise You,
      Raise You To Become The Guru,
            Who In Truth Becomes The Child of God,
            Who In Turn God Can Then Raise,
            To Become God, If You Like,
      For The Choice is Yours,
            "To Use Your Life" In This Way, Or Not,
            Not The Guru's Choice,
            And Not God's".
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Date of Chat: January 19, 2007, on Friday Evening, after Jummuh Prayers
Chat BetweenMuhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for "Your Age"


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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Why did your parents raise you?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Because of the attachment of blood that exists between them and me. This attachment that made them believe that "I was their child" and that "they were responsible for me".

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes, because you came to them as a child, not as an adult, not as someone who could take care of himself, but rather as a bundle of love, of unconditional love, who let them take care of you, that let them feed and protect you, who let them literally raise you. Right?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. So why will the guru raise you?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Because we come to Him as a child, not as an adult, a child who does not know how to take care of himself but is only a bundle of love that is completely dependent on Bawa to take care of him and who loves Bawa unconditionally.

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"Opening Greetings" - from Heart to Heart

Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most
Compassionate.

Bawa.  Al-salam 'alaykum wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. Wa
'alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. May all the peace, the
beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be please with all of My Children.  Amen.

Bawa. My love you (anbu), dearest loving GrandChildren, Sons and Daughters, and brothers and sisters, and all of My Children - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

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Bawa. Here is Page 1 of 1 of an E-mail Version of "Spiritual Chat 392", another beautiful Spiritual Chat between "Our" dearest loving Son Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and "Our" dearest loving Son Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for your age, at the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), for the age of the "Justice of Conscience", where "Who you are?" is now "What is within you", no longer "What is on the outside of you" as most of My Children still mistakenly believe.

Bawa. We have given this Sharing the following "Short Title",

          "Only A Child Can Be Raised, Not An Adult,
            So Become The Child of The Guru,
      For Then, And Only Then,
            Can The Guru Raise You,
      Raise You To Become The Guru,
            Who In Truth Becomes The Child of God,
            Who In Turn God Can Then Raise,
            To Become God, If You Like,
      For The Choice is Yours,
            "To Use Your Life" In This Way, Or Not,
            Not The Guru's Choice,
            And Not God's".

Bawa. And we have given this Sharing the following "Expanded Title", to better reflect the multiple focus of this sharing, at the "Feet of God" for your age, which in truth is the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him) within you, and of God within Him, and now on the "outside" of you, at the feet of His Children (may God be pleased with each of Us), which in truth is each of you living in this age, if you like, for in truth the Choice is yours, not God's.

Bawa.  That is, if the true intention for your life within you, for your soul life, is to again become "One with" God within you, before you die to the flesh in your current state within you, that is, in our current state of living a life of "separation and differences" on the illusory "outside" of us, as if you are "separate from" God within you, as if you are "separate from" each other within you, and as if you are "separate from' the Creation of God within you, all of which is "Just Not True".

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"Join In Partnership With God Within You, 
To Realize,
That You Have Three God's In Your Life,
First, Your Parents,
With Your Mother Teaching You About Your Body,
And Your Father Teaching You Of The World,
Second, Your Guru
Who Teaches You Of Your Soul,
And The Relationship Between The Soul And God,
And Third, God
Who Teaches You About God,
But For You To Successfully Move
From One God To The Other,
You Must First Become The Child Of Each,
That Is For Certain,
For Only A Child Can be Raised
Not An Adult.
Amen. Ok?"

Bawa.  May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children.  Amen.

Bawa.  My love you (anbu) - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

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Bawa.  For more on these wisdom points, and the great significance of this Spiritual Chat to all of My Children, please click on the "Title" of the Following Material, all of which is also provided as part of the On-line Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Library (www.Bawa.
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all of which in truth is from God within all of
My Children, to the Children of God for your age, if you like:

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Spiritual Letter 118 ... Letter To:  Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman
                                                  (Curtis Wahlgren), and to Habiba (Angela), and to
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "Stop What Your Doing
                                                  - Before "The Beast" Has His Way With You,
                                                  And He Drags You Yelling And Screaming
                                                  Off To An Eternal Life of Hell Within You,
                                        To An Eternal Life Within You
                                                  Of "Separation From" God" Within You",
                                                  Not Because of What God Did, Or Failed To Do,
                                                  Not Because of What "We" Did, Or Failed To Do,
                                                  But Because That is "What You Want",
                                        That Is, What You Are Telling God
                                                  "That You Want" For Eternity
                                                  By The Way You Are Now Living In The World,
                                                  As "Separate From",
                                        Not By Your Words About "Oneness With". Ok?" --- Jan., 07"

Spiritual Letter 117 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman
                                                  (Curtis Wahlgren), and to Habiba (Angela), and to
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "There Is Nothing On The "Outside" of You,
                                                  So Reveal The "True Inside" of You,
                                                  Within The "False Inside" of You,
                                                  That Is "What to do?",
                                        By Joining In Partnership With God Within You,
                                                  To Declare Islam Again, And Storm The Kabah Again,
                                        But This Time With Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.) Within You,
                                                  And For A Little While, With Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.)
                                        On The "Outside" of You. OK?"." --------------------------- Jan., 07"

Spiritual Letter 116 ... Letter To:  Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman
                                                  (Curtis Wahlgren), and to Habiba (Angela), and to
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "Become The "Good Grasshopper", The Calming Influence,
                                                  Focused On God Within You, and Save The World,
                                                  By Becoming "One With" God Within You,
                                                  And "One With" What "God Is Doing" Within You,
                                        Or Stay The "Bad Grasshopper",
                                                  Focused On Your Own Selfish Motives,
                                                  And Eventually Become The Swarm of Locust
                                                  That Eventually Destroys The World,
                                        As Well As You In The Process, If You Like,
                                                  For The Choice Is Yours, Not God's" -------------- Jan., 07"

Spiritual Letter 115 ... Letter To: All of My Children
                                        "The "True Call To Islam" For Your Life,
                                                  And For Your Age, If You Like,
                                                  For The Choice Is Yours, Not God's, That Is,
                                        The Choice Between Either An
                                                  Eternal Life As "One With" God Or An
                                                  Eternal Life As "Separate From" God,
                                        Because In Truth There Are
                                                  Only Two Choice, That is, "God Or Hell",
                                                  Not Three Choices, Not "God, Heaven, or Hell",        
                                        As My Children Still Mistakenly Believe,
                                                  But To Their Peril" ---------------------------------------- Jan., 07"

Spiritual Letter 114 ... Letter To:  Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman
                                                  (Curtis Wahlgren), and to Habiba (Angela), and to
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "Declare Islam Again,
                                                  And Storm The Kabah Again, While You Still Can,
                                        But This Time Do It
                                                  At The Feet of God For Your Age,
                                                  At The Feet of Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.),
                                                  Both Within You, And For A Little While
                                                  On The "Outside" Of You" ----------------------------- Jan., 07"


Spiritual Letter 113 ... Letter ToAhmad Khabir (Ken Hahn),
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "O God, Give Me What You Give My Guru,
                                                  Especially What You Cannot Physically Give My Guru,
                                        Including A Share of All The Physical Suffering
                                                  And Difficulties In The World of His Children,
                                                  Who Have Now Become My Children.
                                        Amen, Amen, Amen Ya Rabil Alameen.
                                        Amen, Amen, Amen Ya Rahman Alameen. 
                                        Amen, Amen, Amen Ya Rahim Alameen.
                                        Al-hamdu lillah.  Allahu Akbar" ----------------------------- Jan., 07"
Spiritual Letter 112 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhainaddeen Sulaiman
                                                            (Curtis Wahlgren), and to his wife Angela,
                                                            And to All of My Children
                                                  "The True Name
                                                            of The Children of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.)
                                                            Is My Name,
                                                  Is Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.),
                                                  And Their True Reality Is My Story,
                                                            The Story of The "Oneness of God and True Man",
                                                            That God Is Telling Within Each of My Children,
                                                  If You Will Only Let Him, If You Will Only Join Him,
                                                  As "One With" Him.  Amen" -------------------------- Jan., 07"
Spiritual Letter 111 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhainaddeen Sulaiman
                                                            (Curtis Wahlgren), and to his wife Angela,
                                                            And to All of My Children
                                                  "Stop Acting Like You are Doing It,
                                                            Instead Do It Or Don't Do It, One Or The Other,
                                                  For All That Your Acting Is Doing,
                                                            All That Your Hypocrisy Is Doing,
                                                            Is Just Destroying The Children
                                                            Who Could Do It" ---------------------------------- Dec., 06"
Spiritual Letter 110 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhainaddeen Sulaiman
                                                            (Curtis Wahlgren), and to his wife Angela,
                                                            And to All of My Children
                                                  "Everything Will Happen As "You Intend",
                                                            When "you stop intending", As If You Are
                                                            "Separate From" God Within You,
                                                  That Is, When You Join In Partnership With God Within You,
                                                  To "Make God's Intention" Your Search, And Then
                                                  Start "Intending As God Intends" ------------------- Dec., 06"
Spiritual Letter 109 ... Letter ToDavid Fedderman And His Wife
                                                            and to All of My Children
                                                  "Stop Publishing What "Bawa Said",
                                                            And Instead Become What "Bawa Is Saying",
                                                  That Is, Instead Join In Partnership With God Within You
                                                            To Let God Speak From Within You,
                                                            For The Benefit of All of The Creation of God,
                                                            Both Within You, And For A Little While
                                                            On the Outside of You" ------------------------- Nov., 06"
Spiritual Letter 108 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhainaddeen Sulaiman
                                                            (Curtis Wahlgren), and to All of My Children
                                                  "You Too "Can Fly", If You Like,
                                                            All You Have To Do, Is Do It,
                                                  And Then God Will Do Everything Else, If You Like,
                                                            For The Choice Is Yours, Not God'" -------- Nov., 06"
Spiritual Letter 107 ... Letter To:  Ummul Khair Muhaiyaddeen (Rumi Smith),
                                                            and to All of My Children
                                                  "The "Extraordinary Process of God"
                                                            You Must Understand" ----------------------- Nov., 06"
Spiritual Letter 106 ... Letter ToMuhammad Hussain (John Barnett),
                                                            and to All of My Children
                                                  "Stop Acting As My Children,
                                                            and Start Acting as Me" ---------------------- Nov., 06"

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Spiritual Chat 368 .. "Use The Guru On The "Outside" of You
                                                  To Learn How To "Reason Over Your Fate", That is,
                                        How to Remove From You Everything "Separating You"
                                                  From "The Triple Flame" of God Within You, That Is,
                                        From The Guru Within You, From God Within The Guru,
                                        And From The True Disciple Hidden Within God" .... Dec., 2006
Spiritual Chat 367 .. "Accepting What God Gives You Is Your Plenitude,
                                                  Which In Truth Is Everything That You Are Given,
                                        No Matter What, No Matter What You May Think It Is, Or
                                                  Who Gave It To You, That is, In Your Ignorance And In
                                                  Your Arrogance About Your Ignorance" .......... Dec., 2006
Spiritual Chat 366 .. "Become The Triple Flame Within You,
                                                  Before It Is Too Late
                                        Or Become A Worm In Hell Within You,
                                                  For There Is No Other Choice,
                                                  And The Choice Is Yours, Not God's,
                                        And It Is All Within You, Not "Outside" of You,
                                                  As My Children Still Mistakenly Believe" ........ Dec., 2006
Spiritual Chat 363 .. "Hand God Back To God Within You,
                             By Letting God Cure Himself of You"
                                       Before You Die To The Flesh" ..................... Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 362 .. "About the "Arrogance of Man"
                                                  And the "Oneness of God" ......................... Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 361 .. "Your Life Is The Ultimate Self-Fulfilling Prophesy, That Is,
                                                  "Whatever You Intend
                                                            Is what You Will Receive" ...................... Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 360 .. "The Silent Zikr is God Speaking From Within You,
                                                  Not You Trying To Be Silent
                                                            On The Outside of You" ........................ Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 359 .. "The Duty That Is Greater Than God,
                                                  Is The Duty That You Let God Do Within You,
                                                            Before You Die To The Flesh ................. Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 358 .. "Louie Meets The Angel of Death (A.S.)", Or
                                                  "Life Is The Victory
                                                            of Wisdom Reasoning Over Fate" .......... Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 349 .. "How To Establish "The Presence of God" Within You", Or
                                                  "Who You Are Is What Bawa Is Doing Within You", Or
                                                  "Join In Partnership With God Within You,
                                                  To Truly Accept The Truth Of "Your" Life,
                                                  And The Truth Of The "Life Within Your Life",
                                                  That In Truth "Who You Are" Is "What Is Within You",
                                                  And "What Is Within You" Is What "Bawa Is Doing"
                                                  Within God Within You" ............................... Oct., 2006
Spiritual Chat 347 .. "The Meaning of Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim," Or,
                                                  "Join In Partnership With God Within You
                                                   To Remember To Keep Focused At All Times
                                                  On "What God Is Doing" Within You At All Times,
                                                  With What Is "Within God" Within You, That Is,
                                                  If You Will Only Let Him" .............................. Oct., 2006 )
Spiritual Chat 275 .. "God Has Already Given You Everything,
                                                  So Your Work Is To Join With God Within You,
                                                  To Correctly Use What You Already Have,
                                                  Not Mistakenly Ask For
                                                  Something More or New" .............................. June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 274 .. "God Says To You Within You,
                                                  'Catch Me If You Can'" .................................. June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 271 .. "Stop Leading Us To Hell Within You,.
                                                  Instead, Step Back, Let God Step Forward
                                                            and Embrace Us Within You"  ............... June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 265 .. "Use God Within You To Get To God Within You,.
                                                  Not What God Has Discarded Within You,
                                                            Which In Truth Is The Outside of You" .... June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 264 .. "Become Like Me. Become Like Me.
                                                  Become Like Me" ...................................... June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 247 .. "Learning How to Become Alone, Hungry, and Awake,
                                                  Before You Set Out To Pray" ........................ Feb., 2006
Spiritual Chat 246 .. "Letting God Speak To His Children,
                                                  Telling You That
                                                            'You Too Can Fly, If You Like'" ................Feb., 2006
Spiritual Chat 216 .. The True Question of Your Life Is,
                                                  "What Have You Told God Within You
                                                  That You Want For Eternity,
                                                  By The Way That You Are Currently Living Your Life
                                                  On The "Outside" of You? ..............................Sept., 2005

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Bawa.  May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of
My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children.  Amen.

Bawa.  My love you (anbu) - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us).

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MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate.
Bawa. Al-salam 'alaykum My dearest loving Father Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with You, and with Us). Amen.
Bawa. My love you - Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate.
Bawa. Wa 'alaykum al-salam My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.
Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Shall we begin by reciting the Aiyatul Kursi 5 times, one for each of the cardinal directions and one facing upward, and then recite the "Refrain" from the "Tariqat Prayer of Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen".

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homestead.com).  Thank you.  Enjoy.  Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Amen]

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes, that would be very good Grasshopper.

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. We are back. We had begun reading Your
"
Spiritual Letter 118" and the sweet "Tough Love Cookie" that my Dear Father Bawa left for us earlier. Shall we continue with reading these first and then "come back" to see what's next?

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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes, that would be good. Anbu.

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. We understand what my Dear Father is saying within us and now for a little while longer on the outside of us. This is not the time for excuses or rationale, rather this is the time for each of Bawa's Children to do what He told us to do at each moment. So all of this must be done as what God is telling us to do, that is each day and each hour and each moment we must be doing as our Dear Father Bawa is telling us to do and not to let anything else get in the way (or come before) us doing as He says for us to do. And we will most certainly do this for there is nothing else that the world has to offer or that the world is telling us must be done now or is more important that this duty to God. Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. You are missing the whole point of your life Grasshopper.

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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Why did your parents raise you?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Because of the attachment of blood that exists between them and me. This attachment that made them believe that "I was their child" and that "they were responsible for me".

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes, because you came to them as a child, not as an adult, not as someone who could take care of himself, but rather as a bundle of love, of unconditional love, who let them take care of you, that let them feed and protect you, who let them literally raise you. Right?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. So why will the guru raise you?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Because we come to Him as a child, not as an adult, a child who does not know how to take care of himself but is only a bundle of love that is completely dependent on Bawa to take care of him and who loves Bawa unconditionally.

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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes. And would the baby say the following to his parents, does this show the parents a child, a bundle of love, of unconditional love, who lets them take care of him, and lets them feed and protect him, and lets them literally raise you?

          "We understand what my Dear Father is saying within us and now for a little
          while longer on the outside of us. This is not the time for excuses or rationale,
          rather this is the time for each of Bawa's Children to do what He told us to do at
          each moment".

          "So all of this must be done as what God is telling us to do, that is each day and
          each hour and each moment we must be doing as our Dear Father Bawa is telling
          us to do and not to let anything else get in the way (or come before) us doing as
          He says for us to do".

          "And we will most certainly do this for there is nothing else that the world has to
          offer or that the world is telling us must be done now or is more important that this
          duty to God. Amen."

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. No, the baby would not say something like that.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. And would the baby of the guru say these words the guru?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. No Bawa, the Guru's baby would not say that to his guru.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. And that is the whole point of your life, Grasshopper. First to become the baby of your parents, so they can raise you, with you literally then becoming them, and then becoming the baby to the guru, so He can raise you, with your literally then becoming the guru, and then becoming the Baby of God, so God can raise You, with You literally becoming God. Ok?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we completely understand what You are saying.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar
Bawa. And this is the whole point of the "Tough Love Cookie", and of "Spiritual Letter 114, you are not doing this, you are still stuck in the world of having become your parents, and have not again become the Baby, but this time to the Guru, so He can raise you, and so you can literally become Him, as this child has. Ok?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand that this is true.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. So thank God for the "Tough Love Cookie", and Spiritual Letter 114, which was certainly as difficult for this child to write as it was for you to read, but it was not just for the two of "Us', but was a "Gift of God" for all of My Children, who are also in the same predicament. Ok?

Bawa. So "We" had to suffer a little so they can get better, if they like, and this is the work of Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him), both within you, and for a little while on the "outside" of you, that you must learn to fall into, more and more and more, if you are to ever truly become the Baby of the Guru, so He can raise you, and you can literally become Him, both within you, for the benefit of all of the Creations of God within you, and for a little while on the "outside" of you, for the benefit of all your brothers and sisters. Ok?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand.
Bawa. Thank you God for the beautiful and loving "Tough Love Cookie" that You sent for All of Your Children to eat and to enjoy and to benefit from, if this is truly what Your Children want, that is if they truly want to become a baby to the Shaikh so that He can raise them properly to become Him and then to become a baby to You, God so that You can raise them properly to become You. Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Amen.
Bawa. Good Son.
Bawa. Is this enough for tonight?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Father, this is enough for now, unless You have any more cookies for your babies.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Good Son. 
Bawa. And the question to ask Grasshopper, in response to your request, is who is it within that baby "who wants more", when the wealth of the Mubarakat of Allah, of the
Rahmat
of Allah has just been showered upon all of the Creation of God, in the 18,000 Universes, within Man and within God, and within God and within Man?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. No Bawa, we are certainly not asking for more, as what has been given is certainly enough. Anbu.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Good Son, Yes, this is certainly enough for tonight.  Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Amen.

Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Please give "Our" love and salams to all of My Children. Please tell them that
Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen
(may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) loves them very, very much, and that they are always in "Our" prayers.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. And as always, please join as "One with" Us within you, and as "One with" God within "Us", to share this sharing with them, realizing that you have three God's in your life, First your parents, with you mother teaching you about your body, and your father teaching you of the world, Second, with you Guru teaching your of your soul, and the relationship between the soul and God, and Third, with God teaching You about God, but for you to successfully move from one to the other, you must first become the Child of each, that is for certain, for only a Child can be Raised, not an Adult. Ok?

Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we will certainly do as my Dear Father says and join as "One with" You within us and as "One with" God within "You", to share this sharing with all My Children realizing that we have three Gods in our life, First our parents, with our mother teaching us about our body, and our father teaching us of the world, Second, with our Guru teaching us of our soul, and the relationship between the soul and God, and Third, with God teaching Us about God, but for us to successfully move from one to the other, we must first become the Child of each, that is for certain, for only a Child can be Raised, not an Adult.

Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen.

Bawa. Please give "Our" love and salams to all of My Children. Please tell them that
Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen
(may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) loves them very, very much, and that they are always in "Our" prayers.

Bawa. My love you - Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Good Son.
Bawa. "We" have give "Our Little Chat" the following Title:

"Join In Partnership With God Within You,
To Realize,
That You Have Three God's In Your Life,
First, Your Parents,
With You Mother Teaching You About Your Body,
And Your Father Teaching You Of The World,
Second, Your Guru
Who Teaches You Of Your Soul,
And The Relationship Between The Soul And God,
And Third, God
Who Teaches You About God,
But For You To Successfully Move
From One God To The Other,
You Must First Become The Child Of Each,
That Is For Certain,
For Only A Child Can be Raised,
Not An Adult.
Amen. Ok?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, let be so in this way for each and all of Bawa's Children if this is what they need for their lives. For the choice is truly their choice and not Bawa's choice or Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen's choice or even God's choice. Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Very Good Son. Anbu.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen.

Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us).  Amen.


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          "Only A Child Can Be Raised, Not An Adult,
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      For Then, And Only Then,
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      Raise You To Become The Guru,
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            Who In Turn God Can Then Raise,
            To Become God, If You Like,
      For The Choice is Yours,
            "To Use Your Life" In This Way, Or Not,
            Not The Guru's Choice,
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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Why did your parents raise you?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Because of the attachment of blood that exists between them and me. This attachment that made them believe that "I was their child" and that "they were responsible for me".

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes, because you came to them as a child, not as an adult, not as someone who could take care of himself, but rather as a bundle of love, of unconditional love, who let them take care of you, that let them feed and protect you, who let them literally raise you. Right?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. So why will the guru raise you?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Because we come to Him as a child, not as an adult, a child who does not know how to take care of himself but is only a bundle of love that is completely dependent on Bawa to take care of him and who loves Bawa unconditionally.

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Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most
Compassionate.

Bawa.  Al-salam 'alaykum wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. Wa
'alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. May all the peace, the
beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be please with all of My Children.  Amen.

Bawa. My love you (anbu), dearest loving GrandChildren, Sons and Daughters, and brothers and sisters, and all of My Children - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

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Bawa. Here is Page 1 of 1 of an E-mail Version of "Spiritual Chat 392", another beautiful Spiritual Chat between "Our" dearest loving Son Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and "Our" dearest loving Son Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for your age, at the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), for the age of the "Justice of Conscience", where "Who you are?" is now "What is within you", no longer "What is on the outside of you" as most of My Children still mistakenly believe.

Bawa. We have given this Sharing the following "Short Title",

          "Only A Child Can Be Raised, Not An Adult,
            So Become The Child of The Guru,
      For Then, And Only Then,
            Can The Guru Raise You,
      Raise You To Become The Guru,
            Who In Truth Becomes The Child of God,
            Who In Turn God Can Then Raise,
            To Become God, If You Like,
      For The Choice is Yours,
            "To Use Your Life" In This Way, Or Not,
            Not The Guru's Choice,
            And Not God's".

Bawa. And we have given this Sharing the following "Expanded Title", to better reflect the multiple focus of this sharing, at the "Feet of God" for your age, which in truth is the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him) within you, and of God within Him, and now on the "outside" of you, at the feet of His Children (may God be pleased with each of Us), which in truth is each of you living in this age, if you like, for in truth the Choice is yours, not God's.

Bawa.  That is, if the true intention for your life within you, for your soul life, is to again become "One with" God within you, before you die to the flesh in your current state within you, that is, in our current state of living a life of "separation and differences" on the illusory "outside" of us, as if you are "separate from" God within you, as if you are "separate from" each other within you, and as if you are "separate from' the Creation of God within you, all of which is "Just Not True".

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"Join In Partnership With God Within You, 
To Realize,
That You Have Three God's In Your Life,
First, Your Parents,
With Your Mother Teaching You About Your Body,
And Your Father Teaching You Of The World,
Second, Your Guru
Who Teaches You Of Your Soul,
And The Relationship Between The Soul And God,
And Third, God
Who Teaches You About God,
But For You To Successfully Move
From One God To The Other,
You Must First Become The Child Of Each,
That Is For Certain,
For Only A Child Can be Raised
Not An Adult.
Amen. Ok?"

Bawa.  May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children.  Amen.

Bawa.  My love you (anbu) - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

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Spiritual Letter 118 ... Letter To:  Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman
                                                  (Curtis Wahlgren), and to Habiba (Angela), and to
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "Stop What Your Doing
                                                  - Before "The Beast" Has His Way With You,
                                                  And He Drags You Yelling And Screaming
                                                  Off To An Eternal Life of Hell Within You,
                                        To An Eternal Life Within You
                                                  Of "Separation From" God" Within You",
                                                  Not Because of What God Did, Or Failed To Do,
                                                  Not Because of What "We" Did, Or Failed To Do,
                                                  But Because That is "What You Want",
                                        That Is, What You Are Telling God
                                                  "That You Want" For Eternity
                                                  By The Way You Are Now Living In The World,
                                                  As "Separate From",
                                        Not By Your Words About "Oneness With". Ok?" --- Jan., 07"

Spiritual Letter 117 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman
                                                  (Curtis Wahlgren), and to Habiba (Angela), and to
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "There Is Nothing On The "Outside" of You,
                                                  So Reveal The "True Inside" of You,
                                                  Within The "False Inside" of You,
                                                  That Is "What to do?",
                                        By Joining In Partnership With God Within You,
                                                  To Declare Islam Again, And Storm The Kabah Again,
                                        But This Time With Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.) Within You,
                                                  And For A Little While, With Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.)
                                        On The "Outside" of You. OK?"." --------------------------- Jan., 07"

Spiritual Letter 116 ... Letter To:  Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman
                                                  (Curtis Wahlgren), and to Habiba (Angela), and to
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "Become The "Good Grasshopper", The Calming Influence,
                                                  Focused On God Within You, and Save The World,
                                                  By Becoming "One With" God Within You,
                                                  And "One With" What "God Is Doing" Within You,
                                        Or Stay The "Bad Grasshopper",
                                                  Focused On Your Own Selfish Motives,
                                                  And Eventually Become The Swarm of Locust
                                                  That Eventually Destroys The World,
                                        As Well As You In The Process, If You Like,
                                                  For The Choice Is Yours, Not God's" -------------- Jan., 07"

Spiritual Letter 115 ... Letter To: All of My Children
                                        "The "True Call To Islam" For Your Life,
                                                  And For Your Age, If You Like,
                                                  For The Choice Is Yours, Not God's, That Is,
                                        The Choice Between Either An
                                                  Eternal Life As "One With" God Or An
                                                  Eternal Life As "Separate From" God,
                                        Because In Truth There Are
                                                  Only Two Choice, That is, "God Or Hell",
                                                  Not Three Choices, Not "God, Heaven, or Hell",        
                                        As My Children Still Mistakenly Believe,
                                                  But To Their Peril" ---------------------------------------- Jan., 07"

Spiritual Letter 114 ... Letter To:  Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman
                                                  (Curtis Wahlgren), and to Habiba (Angela), and to
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "Declare Islam Again,
                                                  And Storm The Kabah Again, While You Still Can,
                                        But This Time Do It
                                                  At The Feet of God For Your Age,
                                                  At The Feet of Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.),
                                                  Both Within You, And For A Little While
                                                  On The "Outside" Of You" ----------------------------- Jan., 07"


Spiritual Letter 113 ... Letter ToAhmad Khabir (Ken Hahn),
                                                  All of My Children
                                        "O God, Give Me What You Give My Guru,
                                                  Especially What You Cannot Physically Give My Guru,
                                        Including A Share of All The Physical Suffering
                                                  And Difficulties In The World of His Children,
                                                  Who Have Now Become My Children.
                                        Amen, Amen, Amen Ya Rabil Alameen.
                                        Amen, Amen, Amen Ya Rahman Alameen. 
                                        Amen, Amen, Amen Ya Rahim Alameen.
                                        Al-hamdu lillah.  Allahu Akbar" ----------------------------- Jan., 07"
Spiritual Letter 112 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhainaddeen Sulaiman
                                                            (Curtis Wahlgren), and to his wife Angela,
                                                            And to All of My Children
                                                  "The True Name
                                                            of The Children of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.)
                                                            Is My Name,
                                                  Is Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (Ral.),
                                                  And Their True Reality Is My Story,
                                                            The Story of The "Oneness of God and True Man",
                                                            That God Is Telling Within Each of My Children,
                                                  If You Will Only Let Him, If You Will Only Join Him,
                                                  As "One With" Him.  Amen" -------------------------- Jan., 07"
Spiritual Letter 111 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhainaddeen Sulaiman
                                                            (Curtis Wahlgren), and to his wife Angela,
                                                            And to All of My Children
                                                  "Stop Acting Like You are Doing It,
                                                            Instead Do It Or Don't Do It, One Or The Other,
                                                  For All That Your Acting Is Doing,
                                                            All That Your Hypocrisy Is Doing,
                                                            Is Just Destroying The Children
                                                            Who Could Do It" ---------------------------------- Dec., 06"
Spiritual Letter 110 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhainaddeen Sulaiman
                                                            (Curtis Wahlgren), and to his wife Angela,
                                                            And to All of My Children
                                                  "Everything Will Happen As "You Intend",
                                                            When "you stop intending", As If You Are
                                                            "Separate From" God Within You,
                                                  That Is, When You Join In Partnership With God Within You,
                                                  To "Make God's Intention" Your Search, And Then
                                                  Start "Intending As God Intends" ------------------- Dec., 06"
Spiritual Letter 109 ... Letter ToDavid Fedderman And His Wife
                                                            and to All of My Children
                                                  "Stop Publishing What "Bawa Said",
                                                            And Instead Become What "Bawa Is Saying",
                                                  That Is, Instead Join In Partnership With God Within You
                                                            To Let God Speak From Within You,
                                                            For The Benefit of All of The Creation of God,
                                                            Both Within You, And For A Little While
                                                            On the Outside of You" ------------------------- Nov., 06"
Spiritual Letter 108 ... Letter To: Muhammad Muhainaddeen Sulaiman
                                                            (Curtis Wahlgren), and to All of My Children
                                                  "You Too "Can Fly", If You Like,
                                                            All You Have To Do, Is Do It,
                                                  And Then God Will Do Everything Else, If You Like,
                                                            For The Choice Is Yours, Not God'" -------- Nov., 06"
Spiritual Letter 107 ... Letter To:  Ummul Khair Muhaiyaddeen (Rumi Smith),
                                                            and to All of My Children
                                                  "The "Extraordinary Process of God"
                                                            You Must Understand" ----------------------- Nov., 06"
Spiritual Letter 106 ... Letter ToMuhammad Hussain (John Barnett),
                                                            and to All of My Children
                                                  "Stop Acting As My Children,
                                                            and Start Acting as Me" ---------------------- Nov., 06"

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Spiritual Chat 368 .. "Use The Guru On The "Outside" of You
                                                  To Learn How To "Reason Over Your Fate", That is,
                                        How to Remove From You Everything "Separating You"
                                                  From "The Triple Flame" of God Within You, That Is,
                                        From The Guru Within You, From God Within The Guru,
                                        And From The True Disciple Hidden Within God" .... Dec., 2006
Spiritual Chat 367 .. "Accepting What God Gives You Is Your Plenitude,
                                                  Which In Truth Is Everything That You Are Given,
                                        No Matter What, No Matter What You May Think It Is, Or
                                                  Who Gave It To You, That is, In Your Ignorance And In
                                                  Your Arrogance About Your Ignorance" .......... Dec., 2006
Spiritual Chat 366 .. "Become The Triple Flame Within You,
                                                  Before It Is Too Late
                                        Or Become A Worm In Hell Within You,
                                                  For There Is No Other Choice,
                                                  And The Choice Is Yours, Not God's,
                                        And It Is All Within You, Not "Outside" of You,
                                                  As My Children Still Mistakenly Believe" ........ Dec., 2006
Spiritual Chat 363 .. "Hand God Back To God Within You,
                             By Letting God Cure Himself of You"
                                       Before You Die To The Flesh" ..................... Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 362 .. "About the "Arrogance of Man"
                                                  And the "Oneness of God" ......................... Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 361 .. "Your Life Is The Ultimate Self-Fulfilling Prophesy, That Is,
                                                  "Whatever You Intend
                                                            Is what You Will Receive" ...................... Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 360 .. "The Silent Zikr is God Speaking From Within You,
                                                  Not You Trying To Be Silent
                                                            On The Outside of You" ........................ Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 359 .. "The Duty That Is Greater Than God,
                                                  Is The Duty That You Let God Do Within You,
                                                            Before You Die To The Flesh ................. Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 358 .. "Louie Meets The Angel of Death (A.S.)", Or
                                                  "Life Is The Victory
                                                            of Wisdom Reasoning Over Fate" .......... Nov., 2006
Spiritual Chat 349 .. "How To Establish "The Presence of God" Within You", Or
                                                  "Who You Are Is What Bawa Is Doing Within You", Or
                                                  "Join In Partnership With God Within You,
                                                  To Truly Accept The Truth Of "Your" Life,
                                                  And The Truth Of The "Life Within Your Life",
                                                  That In Truth "Who You Are" Is "What Is Within You",
                                                  And "What Is Within You" Is What "Bawa Is Doing"
                                                  Within God Within You" ............................... Oct., 2006
Spiritual Chat 347 .. "The Meaning of Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim," Or,
                                                  "Join In Partnership With God Within You
                                                   To Remember To Keep Focused At All Times
                                                  On "What God Is Doing" Within You At All Times,
                                                  With What Is "Within God" Within You, That Is,
                                                  If You Will Only Let Him" .............................. Oct., 2006 )
Spiritual Chat 275 .. "God Has Already Given You Everything,
                                                  So Your Work Is To Join With God Within You,
                                                  To Correctly Use What You Already Have,
                                                  Not Mistakenly Ask For
                                                  Something More or New" .............................. June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 274 .. "God Says To You Within You,
                                                  'Catch Me If You Can'" .................................. June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 271 .. "Stop Leading Us To Hell Within You,.
                                                  Instead, Step Back, Let God Step Forward
                                                            and Embrace Us Within You"  ............... June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 265 .. "Use God Within You To Get To God Within You,.
                                                  Not What God Has Discarded Within You,
                                                            Which In Truth Is The Outside of You" .... June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 264 .. "Become Like Me. Become Like Me.
                                                  Become Like Me" ...................................... June., 2006
Spiritual Chat 247 .. "Learning How to Become Alone, Hungry, and Awake,
                                                  Before You Set Out To Pray" ........................ Feb., 2006
Spiritual Chat 246 .. "Letting God Speak To His Children,
                                                  Telling You That
                                                            'You Too Can Fly, If You Like'" ................Feb., 2006
Spiritual Chat 216 .. The True Question of Your Life Is,
                                                  "What Have You Told God Within You
                                                  That You Want For Eternity,
                                                  By The Way That You Are Currently Living Your Life
                                                  On The "Outside" of You? ..............................Sept., 2005

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Bawa.  May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of
My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children.  Amen.

Bawa.  My love you (anbu) - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us).

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MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate.
Bawa. Al-salam 'alaykum My dearest loving Father Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with You, and with Us). Amen.
Bawa. My love you - Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate.
Bawa. Wa 'alaykum al-salam My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.
Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Shall we begin by reciting the Aiyatul Kursi 5 times, one for each of the cardinal directions and one facing upward, and then recite the "Refrain" from the "Tariqat Prayer of Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen".

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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes, that would be very good Grasshopper.

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. We are back. We had begun reading Your
"
Spiritual Letter 118" and the sweet "Tough Love Cookie" that my Dear Father Bawa left for us earlier. Shall we continue with reading these first and then "come back" to see what's next?

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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes, that would be good. Anbu.

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. We understand what my Dear Father is saying within us and now for a little while longer on the outside of us. This is not the time for excuses or rationale, rather this is the time for each of Bawa's Children to do what He told us to do at each moment. So all of this must be done as what God is telling us to do, that is each day and each hour and each moment we must be doing as our Dear Father Bawa is telling us to do and not to let anything else get in the way (or come before) us doing as He says for us to do. And we will most certainly do this for there is nothing else that the world has to offer or that the world is telling us must be done now or is more important that this duty to God. Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. You are missing the whole point of your life Grasshopper.

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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Why did your parents raise you?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Because of the attachment of blood that exists between them and me. This attachment that made them believe that "I was their child" and that "they were responsible for me".

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes, because you came to them as a child, not as an adult, not as someone who could take care of himself, but rather as a bundle of love, of unconditional love, who let them take care of you, that let them feed and protect you, who let them literally raise you. Right?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. So why will the guru raise you?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Because we come to Him as a child, not as an adult, a child who does not know how to take care of himself but is only a bundle of love that is completely dependent on Bawa to take care of him and who loves Bawa unconditionally.

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MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Yes. And would the baby say the following to his parents, does this show the parents a child, a bundle of love, of unconditional love, who lets them take care of him, and lets them feed and protect him, and lets them literally raise you?

          "We understand what my Dear Father is saying within us and now for a little
          while longer on the outside of us. This is not the time for excuses or rationale,
          rather this is the time for each of Bawa's Children to do what He told us to do at
          each moment".

          "So all of this must be done as what God is telling us to do, that is each day and
          each hour and each moment we must be doing as our Dear Father Bawa is telling
          us to do and not to let anything else get in the way (or come before) us doing as
          He says for us to do".

          "And we will most certainly do this for there is nothing else that the world has to
          offer or that the world is telling us must be done now or is more important that this
          duty to God. Amen."

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. No, the baby would not say something like that.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. And would the baby of the guru say these words the guru?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. No Bawa, the Guru's baby would not say that to his guru.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. And that is the whole point of your life, Grasshopper. First to become the baby of your parents, so they can raise you, with you literally then becoming them, and then becoming the baby to the guru, so He can raise you, with your literally then becoming the guru, and then becoming the Baby of God, so God can raise You, with You literally becoming God. Ok?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we completely understand what You are saying.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar
Bawa. And this is the whole point of the "Tough Love Cookie", and of "Spiritual Letter 114, you are not doing this, you are still stuck in the world of having become your parents, and have not again become the Baby, but this time to the Guru, so He can raise you, and so you can literally become Him, as this child has. Ok?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand that this is true.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. So thank God for the "Tough Love Cookie", and Spiritual Letter 114, which was certainly as difficult for this child to write as it was for you to read, but it was not just for the two of "Us', but was a "Gift of God" for all of My Children, who are also in the same predicament. Ok?

Bawa. So "We" had to suffer a little so they can get better, if they like, and this is the work of Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him), both within you, and for a little while on the "outside" of you, that you must learn to fall into, more and more and more, if you are to ever truly become the Baby of the Guru, so He can raise you, and you can literally become Him, both within you, for the benefit of all of the Creations of God within you, and for a little while on the "outside" of you, for the benefit of all your brothers and sisters. Ok?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand.
Bawa. Thank you God for the beautiful and loving "Tough Love Cookie" that You sent for All of Your Children to eat and to enjoy and to benefit from, if this is truly what Your Children want, that is if they truly want to become a baby to the Shaikh so that He can raise them properly to become Him and then to become a baby to You, God so that You can raise them properly to become You. Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Amen.
Bawa. Good Son.
Bawa. Is this enough for tonight?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Father, this is enough for now, unless You have any more cookies for your babies.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Good Son. 
Bawa. And the question to ask Grasshopper, in response to your request, is who is it within that baby "who wants more", when the wealth of the Mubarakat of Allah, of the
Rahmat
of Allah has just been showered upon all of the Creation of God, in the 18,000 Universes, within Man and within God, and within God and within Man?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. No Bawa, we are certainly not asking for more, as what has been given is certainly enough. Anbu.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Good Son, Yes, this is certainly enough for tonight.  Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Amen.

Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Please give "Our" love and salams to all of My Children. Please tell them that
Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen
(may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) loves them very, very much, and that they are always in "Our" prayers.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. And as always, please join as "One with" Us within you, and as "One with" God within "Us", to share this sharing with them, realizing that you have three God's in your life, First your parents, with you mother teaching you about your body, and your father teaching you of the world, Second, with you Guru teaching your of your soul, and the relationship between the soul and God, and Third, with God teaching You about God, but for you to successfully move from one to the other, you must first become the Child of each, that is for certain, for only a Child can be Raised, not an Adult. Ok?

Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we will certainly do as my Dear Father says and join as "One with" You within us and as "One with" God within "You", to share this sharing with all My Children realizing that we have three Gods in our life, First our parents, with our mother teaching us about our body, and our father teaching us of the world, Second, with our Guru teaching us of our soul, and the relationship between the soul and God, and Third, with God teaching Us about God, but for us to successfully move from one to the other, we must first become the Child of each, that is for certain, for only a Child can be Raised, not an Adult.

Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen.

Bawa. Please give "Our" love and salams to all of My Children. Please tell them that
Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen
(may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) loves them very, very much, and that they are always in "Our" prayers.

Bawa. My love you - Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Good Son.
Bawa. "We" have give "Our Little Chat" the following Title:

"Join In Partnership With God Within You,
To Realize,
That You Have Three God's In Your Life,
First, Your Parents,
With You Mother Teaching You About Your Body,
And Your Father Teaching You Of The World,
Second, Your Guru
Who Teaches You Of Your Soul,
And The Relationship Between The Soul And God,
And Third, God
Who Teaches You About God,
But For You To Successfully Move
From One God To The Other,
You Must First Become The Child Of Each,
That Is For Certain,
For Only A Child Can be Raised,
Not An Adult.
Amen. Ok?

MMSulaiman11:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, let be so in this way for each and all of Bawa's Children if this is what they need for their lives. For the choice is truly their choice and not Bawa's choice or Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen's choice or even God's choice. Amen.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. Very Good Son. Anbu.

MuhaiyaddeenLB:

Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children.  May God help all of My Children.  May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen.

Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us).  Amen.


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